What could have happened if GERMANY had won the war

Started by THE FUGITIVE, February 17, 2018, 03:22:42 PM

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THE FUGITIVE

If Germany won the war, it follows that only this would occur if the Axis Powers had jointly won the war. 

If Moscow fell during the siege, then quite possibly the Communist government would have either sued for peace or a revolution would have occurred with the ouster of the Communists. Without the USSR, England would have been alone against a much more numerous German Wehrmacht and Luftwaffe Forces for a delated Operation Sea Lion invasion of the UK.  The Brits use gas to slow the German forces, Buckingham palace is captured and the UK sues for Peace. Hitler leaves the Monarchy intact, the English Navy either sales away to Canada, is captured, has been detroyed by the defense of England, or is scuttled to prevent capture.

Mussolini would remain in power in Italy established as a puppet ruler for Germany.

For the Axis to have have won the following would have to occurred:

The US Navy would  suffer crippling defeats to the Japanese Imperial Navy at the Coral Sea and Midway, Midway is invaded successfully, consequently the US would accept a negotiated Peace with Japan as folloing Japan's stategy as had been planned from before the beginning of the war. 

With the US out of the War, the Republic of China has no military resources or American Support to resist the Japanese.

Japanese military expansion in the Pacific would have contracted after the US signs a peace treaty and the UK no longer being a threat, the Pacific bufferzone would no longer be required to protect Japanese conquests on the Asian mainland and the oil fields in former Dutch Colonies.

The available military resources of 3 Japanese Armies used to fight the Allies) would either finish the conquest of China, or the Chinese Nationalists would have surrendered most of China on Japanese terms.  Japan could use its some of its forces to attack the weakened Russian military in Soviet Manchuria and along the Pacific Coast of Russia in a land grab under the guise of assisting it's German ally.

It would be easier to say what wouldn't have happened or ceased to exist:

*The Peoples Republic of China,
*Communist North Korea and South Korea, and the Korean War,
*North Vietnam and South Vietnam, and the Vietnam War, exist. 
*Israe,l as the non liberated European nations would not have a displaced person Jewish population that the UK, the European nations and the USA did not want (sorry to be blunt on this) and rather dumped into Palestine.
*US/USSR arms race. *Space exploration as an extension of the Arms race
*US post war prosperity.
*The Commonwealth of Nations. 
*Canadian indepence (Britain to dependent on Canada for raw material)
*The European Economic Community
*NATO
*The Iron Curtain (Berlin Wall)
*The Euro as a standard currency
*CERN
*Arpanet, consequently the Internet
*Home computers.
*Hydrogen Bombs

What would/could happen.

Occupied France would be reunited with Viche France under Viche puppet rule.
Finland would be free of Russian domination and remain a German ally.

The Ukraine, Georgia, Belarus, Latvia, Poland and Lithuania would be absorbed in to a Greater Germany, and become German Colonies populated with increasing numbers Germans.

Germany would encourage illegitmacy and multiple sex partners to increase the German population, and encourage intermarriage with other perceived Germanic races (Scandinavia, Netherlands) and possibly with citizens of Greater Germany
Swizterland would lose its independance and is absorbed into Germany.

Adolph Hitler's Parkison Disease progresses into full fledged Alzheimer's Disease (Dementia/Insanity) and either is commited, murdered, or dies of natural causes.

A power struggle in Germany between Hermann Goering (Hitler's chosen heir) and Heinrich Himmler, would ensue to replace Hitler which results in a either Goering becoming Fuehrer with Himmler's backing and behind the scenes control/influence or in a military coup by the SS and a Heinrich Himmler assumes the role of dictator of Germany. 

A Civil War in Germany would briefly occur between the Wehrmach loyal to Goering and the SS troops loyal to Himmler, to be put down violently with mass executions upon the losers by the winning force.

The mass persecutions and ethnic cleansing would continue in either case, and eventually burn out with the death of many innocents, essentially no one left to kill after 20 years.

Japanese would continue their policy of treating harshly the citizens of countries under the occupation, used for Germ Warfare experiments, Comfort Women, slave labor, as the Japanese colonize and essentially Japanify the conquered lands.

A cold war begins between the world's two super powers, Nazi Germany and Imperial Japanese Empire.  Japan has held that the Emperor Hirohito should rule the entire world. Nazi's no longer need the Japanese. The cold war would begin slowly, and then simmer as the former allies begin to distrust each other's growing spheres's of influence and increased military power. 

The cold war heats up. As both Nazi Germany and Imperial Japan had additonal time to complete Atomic Weapons research and development, a limited Atomic war is fought; with Germany having the strategic advantage of ICBM's and Submarine launded V-2 missiles pitted against Japan's use of Kamikase delivered Atomic tactical bombs delivered by the I-400 class submarine seaplanes onto Germany, while the main battles are fought at the Japanese/German joint bords. 

A stalemate ends the hostility which neither side recovers from and the world descends into post apocalyptic chaos (the real thing, not the board game).  The two empires fall apart similar to the fall of the Roman Empire into isolated pockets of local generals and warlords.....

Okay here's one reason why this wouldn't necessarly have ever happened.

The US would not have bowed out of the war with Germany and Japan even if invaded on the West Coast or blockaded on the East Coast. Too much industrial power, natural resources and raw materiels in US, Mexico, and Canada, and a population ready and will to fight the Japanese or Germans on their home turf.

The US would not abandon Hawaii with the loss of the Navy fleet instead  would build up and fortify a strong air force to defend the islands at all costs. US long range Bombers, and submarines, blockade and  attack Japanese held Midway. 

The Industrial might rebuilds replacements for its surface fleet and merchant while the Submarine Warfare buys time. The US would build longer range submarines to attack the Japanese merchant fleet from the West Coast as well as Hawaii. The loss of the merchant fleet (at great loss of US Subs) hampers Japanese military prodution, and the Japanese shift factories to occupied China. Australia would be invade by Japan, but the Australians would hand stop the Japanese troops and eventually kill or drive the Japanese from their country. Australia ports become home ports to US Subs.

US  develops the B-29 and subsequently develops aerial refueling   based on the B-29s bombers to extend it's bomber fleet's range, until the Convair B-36 Peacemaker, underdevelopment in anticipation of the loss of the UK,  was rushed into full scale production.  The USAAF would send B-36 bombers to Germany from Central American military bases, and also to fly missions to bomb Japan from the Hawaiian Islands and later recaptured Midway.  Aerial refuleing of long range fights (P-38, P-51, and P-82 Twin Mustang) begins.  Development of Jet aircraft suspended for the duration.

The US would still develop the Atomic Bomb before the Axis powers and would have used the A-Bombs first on Germany's stategic industrial targets  and V-3 ICMB sites, and the hardened U-Boat pens.  B-36 losses in these night time attacks are high.

Japanese attacks on the West Coast cities of San Francisco, Los Angeles, Seattle and San Diego, with radioactive dirty bombs to neutralize war industries on the West Coast, and shipyards.

The USAAF uses A-Bombs on Japan in retaliation.  A campaign of Nuclear Cauterization of the entire Japanese Home Islands on every major city including Tokyo begins, undertaken as a scorched earth policy to bomb the Japanese back into the stone age before the US became finanically bankrupt in the attempt. Genocide of the Japanese people condoned by Curtis Le May and approved by President Harry Truman (or his successor).

Post War:

US economy, bankrupted by the cost of war debts, loss of Gold reserves to defense contractors and US Oil companies, and lack of lending capital, would go into a Great Recession (no politician would call it a Recession) and inflation would run rampant. US Gold and Silver mining returns under Federal sponsorship to stabilize US Dollar.

That's just two of a thousand possible futures, neither particually bright.

History progressed otherwise, the Allies (UK, Austrlia, France, China, Soviet Union, New Zealand, Canada, India, US, South Africa, too many to list) around the world did not lose to the Axis Powers.

Otherwise in the USA, we would be driving Japanese and German cars instead of exclusively US made cars, purchasing TV's and electronics from Japanese companies made in China and elsewhere in Asia, wearing clothes and shoes not made in the US by US labor, with jobs outsourced to foreign countries by US corporation, elections influened/purchased by rich and powerful multinational corporations with offices overseas (which do not pay taxes in the US), finding Sake in the supermarkets liquor section, or  eating Sushi and Sashimi in all you can eat Chinese restaurant buffets. (On second thought.........)



How did Nazi Germany win the war?

It could have been better diplomacy by not attacking the Soviet Union and Japan not attacking the US, giving them no reason valid enough to enter the war against them. It could simply have been a military success. Still, is unclear the fact of the magnitude to which Nazi Germany won the war.

What would have happened if Germany had won WWII?

To make it short, there are endless possibilities from this single line, due to which I have to make some assumptions.

You may think it was a lop-sided war today, but in fact, it was hard-fought. I’m going to assume that Nazi Germany still attacked the Soviet Union. I’m going to assume that the Japanese still pursued their policies of expansionism and Mussolini continued ruling the way he did. All the three countries won in a military fashion. Vassal states and colonies are formed. The Imperial powers fighting on the Allies’ side would be forced to relinquish their territories. I’m also going to assume that nuclear arsenal isn’t developed by either sides.

Stalin is likely to be assassinated in a war lost against the Axis. Japanese imperial rule will prevail across the whole Pacific area, and they might get control of many territories in the Americas. A win has to be a united win, since each side aided the nations fighting under their side, for strategic diplomatic interests. Hitler didn’t get married before war because he wanted to focus on country’s affairs, so we can say that Hitler will begin his personal life. Most European Jews would be exterminated, as Hitler collects a large amount of Jewish artifacts to establish his ‘Museum of An Extinct Race’.[1] A large amount of Slavs, Poles, Gypsies and homosexuals would meet a similar fate.


As all these changes take place, after the hypothetical victory of the Nazis and the Axis, it hasn’t all ended.

If not the British, some other power will certainly improve upon your method and beat you with your own weapon. You are leaving no legacy to your people of which they would feel proud. They cannot take pride in a recital of cruel deed, however skilfully planned.

These were words written by M.K. Gandhi during the war, addressed to Hitler in a letter urging him to stop the war.[2] The effect of the second statement is shown today, nobody today takes pride in his legacy. The war may have been somehow won, but the resistance movement would be on, like it was even before the war started.

Even if the second world war was somehow won, Germany would be improved upon. However, the fall of the Axis powers would leave a world of differences in the world, compared to the conditions created after the second world war.